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Poll: Noise After New JFK Flight Patterns?

Have you noticed more or less noise since the FAA changed flight patterns over Nassau County Thursday?

The Federal Aviation Administration implemented the second stage of its plan to redesign the airspace over New York, New Jersey and Philadelphia Thursday, increasing the amount of planes flying over Nassau County.

An additional fifth departure route for westbound flights leaving the New York metro area was added on Oct. 20 to augment four existing westbound departure routes.

"The new route will allow planes leaving all of the New York area airports to access westbound high altitude routes more quickly and will help relieve current traffic management restrictions that cause delays," according to a fact sheet posted on the FAA Web site.

On Thursday, the FAA also began using a new departure procedure at John F. Kennedy International Airport called the "JFK Wrap," which it says allows flights headed westbound from JFK to exit the New York area more efficiently and quickly.

"Before the new procedure was available, aircraft that filed flight plans for high altitude, westbound routes had to converge over a single point in Robbinsville, New Jersey before they were fanned out on separate routes," creating a choke point that caused grond delays at New York area airports during peak traffic periods, the release stated.

Under the new “JFK Wrap” procedure, after taking off from the airport, west-bound flights will first follow a path to the east and then will turn to the north and then to the west, across New Jersey. When they reach northwestern New Jersey, the flights will be directed to multiple points to access the National Airspace System’s high-altitude, west-bound route structure, flying around 20,000 feet.

The FAA has been criticized by Nassau County residents, including those in Malverne, who has led to excessive noise at all hours of the day and night.

"Last night I would have thought a plane was landing in my bedroom!" Patricia McCarthy Candeletti, of Malverne, commented on Facebook after Patch posted about a letter Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy wrote to FAA and Port Authority officials.

"At 11:30 last night I looked out my window and a flight attendant waved at me.......couldn't get any worse!" she added.

The FAA says an environmental analysis it conducted showed that the routing changes from New York to New Jersey will not create any new significant noise impacts in the area, including the portion of the route that flies over Nassau County shortly after departure from JFK.

But we want to hear what local residents are actually experiencing. Have you noticed a change in the air traffic since the new flight plans and departure procedure was implemented Thursday? Has the noise increased, decreased or remained the same? Vote or comment below.

The next meeting of the Town-Village-Aircraft-Safety & Noise Abatement Committee (TVASNAC) will be held Oct. 24 in Lawrence. Stay tuned for more details.

Peter Robideau October 21, 2011 at 05:30 PM
It may be too soon to tell. I know last week it was horrible - every morning and evening.
ursula October 21, 2011 at 06:37 PM
I hope the FAA resonciders the flight pattern change or atleast alter it. Their has been a dramatic difference to the level of noise & frequency of flight traffic in our Malvern area. Sometimes it's so bad, we can't sleep. I find myself getting up to watch TV around 1 & 2am because I can't fall back to sleep. My husband even tosses & turns in his sleep & doesn't get a complete night of sleep & he's an extremely heavy sleeper. We need help!
Peter Robideau October 21, 2011 at 06:41 PM
I haven't heard any planes yesterday or today. The change was made yesterday, right? Has anyone heard any air traffic either today or yesterday?
Bob Jakominic October 21, 2011 at 07:41 PM
I haven't heard any either. I monitor JFK on the website that was provided to me by the FAA noise abatement office. JFK hasn't used Runway 4L for departures in the last two days. That's the runway that's keeping us up at night.
Robert Troha October 21, 2011 at 11:22 PM
the noise level over Malverne has been unacceptable for five years since I moved back here. Anything the FAA is proposing that might worsen the situation is absurd. I am a former airline pilot and I can assure you there are alternatives.
John Humins October 22, 2011 at 03:51 AM
Living under a major flight path to and from JFK, I can say that the FAA plan will do nothing to abate the noise from the arriving planes that affect residents in Elmont, Valley Stream and Rosedale, while takeoffs will continue to noisily impact residents in Rosedale, Valley Stream, Lynbrook, Malverne and beyond. Nothing has changed. The FAA continues to discriminate against these communities, while allowing other communities, which should share in the distribution of arrivals and departures, if arrival and departure flight paths were determined by wind directions, as they were in the past. The FAA's plan does nothing to abate the noise, rather it institutionalizes an unequal flight distribution which hammers the communiites mentioned above and allows others to continue to enjoy a favored low or no noise status.
Tara Conry (Editor) October 22, 2011 at 10:18 AM
FYI The TVASNAC meeting on Monday is at Lawrence HS which is actually located in Cedarhurst: 2 Reilly Road Cedarhurst, NY 11516-1002
LJ October 23, 2011 at 02:09 AM
Its loud because the planes are too low, clearly lower than ever.. Its a major danger in this highly populated area. How stupid are they at the FAA to tempt fate like that? We don't have any Hudson River for the next "Sully" to land in. For that matter, we don't have any open fields to land a disabled plane. Flying more and more planes over crowded Nassau, besides being annoying, is flat out dangerous. I don't really care if the airport has "delays". They have too many flights coming here, period. Let them fly to Newark.
Three four March 03, 2012 at 08:29 PM
Yes, there are increase plane noises, louder and more frequently. I am the homeowner of south valley stream.

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