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Sanitary District 2 Should Be Consolidated

Why Sanitary District 2 Should be Consolidated

On Wednesday, Dec. 12, residents of Sanitary District 2 will have an opportunity to vote on whether to keep their Local Sanitation District or dissolve it.

The main question taxpayers should ask themselves is, why is it necessary for one town to have many sanitation districts?

The main argument coming from proponents of Sanitary District 2 (a Special Taxing District) is to maintain employment.

So the question really is, should residents pay higher taxes to keep more people employed, or should government move to reallocate resources more efficiently to provide lower costs to ALL taxpayers?

The fact of the matter is Special Taxing Districts have shown, time and time again, to be a haven for waste and abuse. The 2005 Audits performed by then Comptroller Howard Weitzman, proved this (see : http://www.nassaucountyny.gov/agencies/Comptroller/Docs/PDF/Sanitary_District_No_2_Audit_Report_9-21-05.pdf)

In 2009, despite the scathing audit reports, residents of Sanitary District 7 learned that they were paying $200,000/year for a sanitation supervisor. (see: http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/audit-oceanside-son-dad-earn-over-1m-from-taxpayers-1.1557497).

This article shows, "Taxpayers financed a million-dollar family."

The Town of Hempstead, whose Supervisor Kate Murray has recently come out AGAINST consolidation, APPROVES Special Taxing District budgets.

Despite this fact, Supervisor Murray has on many occasions claimed no control over these Special Taxing Districts.

Consolidation of Sanitary District 2 will do what Republicans and Conservatives have been saying for years needs to be done, and that is reduce the size of government.

Government has grown too big, and has become its own special interest.  Special Taxing Districts have proven that they are unable to provide cost effective services, and therefore should be consolidated.

I therefore feel residents of Sanitary District 2 should vote YES on Wednesday Dec. 12 to dissolve the district, sending the message to government officials that residents want a common sense approach to garbage collection, one Town, one Garbage District.

If you don't know your polling place call the District at 516-223-3207.

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Felix Procacci December 10, 2012 at 05:03 PM
no
Tom Nathan December 10, 2012 at 05:23 PM
Felix -so there you go why dont you start some letter to the editor campaigns that directly effect the special taxing districts where you live. I am sure the Frankilin square water district of fire District would be ripe for your letters.
Felix Procacci December 10, 2012 at 09:42 PM
How's this idea, you do what you want to do, and I 'll do what I want to do. As long as I don't break the Law, why should you care?
Tom Nathan December 10, 2012 at 10:03 PM
Felix - its become pretty obvious you involve yourself in other people's business but when it hits close to your home you don't want to have anything to do with it. You want everyone else to close down their special taxing districts but when I mention the ones in Franklin Square you don't want to have anything to do with those. I guess what you think is good for everyone else somehow does not apply to where you live.
Felix Procacci December 10, 2012 at 10:10 PM
Obvious only to you. Again, you do what you want to do, and I 'll do what I want to do. As long as I don't break the Law, why should you care?
Tom Nathan December 10, 2012 at 10:18 PM
No Felix its obvious to all except you with blinders. Lets see you wrote about rain barrells, Kate Murray mailings, consolidation of school boards, animal shelter and consolidation of Sanitary district #2. But when I mention the special taxing districts that effect you all of a sudden you have nothing to say about them. Its pretty obvious you would rather write about things that you dont have to deal with, but when they actually involve where you live you want nothing to do with them.
Kyle December 12, 2012 at 09:16 AM
Being a local taxpayer in this district, I would rather pay a negligable amount more in sanitation tax for a much better service. Lets look at some benefits. Sanitation 2 picks up 25 items (bags.. cans... etc.) per house while toh only takes 5 per house. Special pickup such as furniture will be scheduled within 2 days and sometimes within the hour if you call during working hours. Toh schedules items to be picked up 2 weeks or more later. If an item isnt called in, it could sit on the curb for months. Sani 2 supervisors ride the routes everyday and make sure everything on the curb gets picked up.Technically you dont even have to call up for special items! Did a home project? Have loose wood and debris? Call sani 2 it will be picked up, have fun sitting on line at the dump saturday morning with town of hempstead service! Hold on a sec, we dont even know if the town will take over. It could go private, just ask the Freeport residents how they like it. (They are misreble) Sani 2 services large attatched lid, heavy, bulky, cans that are designed for a truck to mechanically pick up, toh would never touch. Sani 2 takes overflowing cans with no lids that other services simply dont touch. Stop looking at numbers and statistics only and pay attention to how this personally effects people. People love there garbage crews who have the same route all year long and get to know each other by name.
ch fun December 12, 2012 at 07:16 PM
how can we vote 2-10pm if we work 3-11 shift we dont all have 9+5 jobs im disappointed im new home owner in rsvt and would lile to vote and there is not enough staff at voting poll
Felix Procacci December 12, 2012 at 07:40 PM
That is exactly why these Special Districts decide these voting days and hours. The less turn-out the better it is for them. They do not want transparency, they do not want people to have a say in the democratic process. The voting day should be in November like most other elections. If that were the case, they know they would have to be more accountable, and that is not what they want (see : http://www.nassaucountyny.gov/agencies/Comptroller/Docs/PDF/Sanitary_District_No_2_Audit_Report_9-21-05.pdf )
Tom Nathan December 12, 2012 at 07:58 PM
Here we go again with Felix jumping into other people's business but when it comes to the special taxing districts where he lives - he says nothing.
Tom Nathan December 13, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Well Felix as the residents and voters of Sanitation District 2 - which you are not one of - have decided to keep the district. Maybe now you can start your campaigh todissolve the special taxing districts where you live
Kim Thiemann December 13, 2012 at 02:11 PM
When it comes down to it, good prevailed and evil lost by a landfall. I'm proud of my neighbors for seeing the truth, our community did the right thing and Sani 2 is saved !
Merrick7 December 14, 2012 at 03:21 PM
If @Felix really thought streamlining goverment was so essential to cutting costs and improving government, why does he not push for consolidation of the Franklin Square Park District into the TOH Park District? He is from Franklin Square and that district is pure waste.
Tom Nathan December 14, 2012 at 03:41 PM
@Merrick7 - I think Felix is one of those guy who likes to get involved in everyone else's business and tell everyone else what is good for them. Of course when it comes to the districts where he lives I can only assume he is scared to write about and speak against it becaus ehe doesnt want his neighbors mad at him.
Felix Procacci December 14, 2012 at 03:49 PM
You are abosolutely right about that. Franklin Square Park district taxes have gone up over 60% over the last 8 years. How do you start such a consolidation? I brought that fact up a Town Board meeting once. I think the only way is to get the Town Board to agree to such a proposal. If you know of any other way let me know. Also, FYI, the entire Town of Hempstead is riddled with waste. Don't know what any one person can do except try to get others to vote for new Town Board members. I really feel the only way to improve government, regardless of who is in power is to get Transparency legislation that would force local government officials to inform residents about how they are spending their money. The only way people are going to get long lasting change is for the people to get control over their government. This will only happen if residents are well informed.
Felix Procacci December 14, 2012 at 03:57 PM
Tom Nathan : The above comment (I wrote) that critizes the Sewanhaka School Board contradicts your claim. The Sewanhaka School district is MY SCHOOL DISTRICT. All the facts that I wrote in the article I spoke about in front of the SCHOOL BOARD and 30+ of my neighbors. (see : http://newhydepark.patch.com/blog_posts/sewanhaka-school-board-doesnt-want-transparency )
Tom Nathan December 14, 2012 at 05:25 PM
Felix - you gave me that article before but you and I both know you can't consolidate school districts under the law. So its apples and oranges. Again we are talking about cosolidatinfg special taxing districts. You have two of them where you live but you have yet to write anything about them. You have yet to call for their elimination. You are waiting for someone else to start a petition to get rid of them. You find it easier to jump in when it doesnt directly effect you. The voters have shown you what they think. Now you should take some time and focus on the special taxing districts that impact you instead of butting into other peoples lives.
Felix Procacci December 14, 2012 at 05:36 PM
That's not what you said in your most recent comment. You said I was scared to speak out about the districts I live in. I live in the Sewanhaka School district and I am not scared to speak out against it. If there was a petition or vote to consolidate any of the districts (SPECIAL OR NOT) in my area I would advocate for consolidation. I am one person, I attend my school board meetings, Town of Hempstead meetings, 3 different civic meetings, I have two kids and job. I do not have time to collect signatures, I'm sorry, if you are going to fault me for that, I ACCEPT YOUR CRITSIZM.
Tom Nathan December 14, 2012 at 05:59 PM
Felix You keep trying to throw the school district in there when we are talking specifically about special taxing districts. Your original article was about Sanitation District #2 not the school district. Lets keep this on topic of special taxing districts. Again you want to point out that someone else needs to start the process before you will advocate for consolidation. That is just passing the buck. If you really wanted consolidation you should be starting close to home and working on advocating for the onsolidation of those districts. Instead all you did was wait for someone else to do all the heavy lifting and then jump on the bandwagon.
Felix Procacci December 14, 2012 at 06:27 PM
I have. I have written to Kate Murray and Ed Mangano asking them to consolidate special districts after I read the Weitzman reports. The Town or County can also initialize consolidation. In a way that is better because they can put forth a plan before residents vote on it. Getting thousands of people to sign a petition for a tentative plan is not very efficient way to do things. And there is always the question in some peoples mind as to whether the tentative plan is going to be the final plan. People for the most part do not even know what a special taxing district is. They do not realize how little oversight there is. They do not know whether they are paying a fair price for the service they are gettting. As I said before I see no reason why it is necessary for one Town to have 8 garbage districts. If you were going to design a Town whould you advocate for 8 independent garbage districts. It is very inefficient. Government is too big and is not accountable. If you do not like me speaking on issues I do not initiate, get CONGRESS TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION. Maybe you could start a petition to get it done, instead of just critisizing a constitutional right you don't agree with.
Tom Nathan December 14, 2012 at 06:36 PM
Felix - you like to pull the topic where it never was. I am not criticizing your right to write about an issue. What I am criticizing is that for some reason you dont write about the issue where it directly effects you. Like you pointed out you want others to do the hard lifting whether its getting pettitions or having the Town start consolidation. But agin not one leter to the editor saying that the two spscial taxing districts you live in should be consolidated. You complain about districts where you dont live and the voters disagree with you, But given the opportuinity you steer clear of criticizing the special taxing districts where you live.
Felix Procacci December 14, 2012 at 06:51 PM
If you write an article it has to be something someone can relate to. Few people in my neighborhood know what a special district is. The article would be nearly worthless. If the Town consolidated my sanition and water district (and told no one), few people would know they were gone except the people that work for them, Before you can propose a consolidation, people have to know that the district exists. Most people in my neighborhood, even those that lived here for 30 years never voted in a special district election. I voted in one, only because I happened to be at the school that day. There was one person on the ballot and only about 50 signatures were on the signin sheet at 7pm at night. I live in Franklin Sq for 10 years before I learned about special districts and that was due to the 200k SD 7 SUPERVISOR story. No one tells you about the elections, the budgets, the meetings or anything else. Special Districts were a well kept secret and only became some what popular after the Weitzman Audits and SD7 supervisor story.
Tom Nathan December 14, 2012 at 07:37 PM
Felix - every reason yo listed is the perfect ones you should be writing about the special taxing districts where you live. Your article would be to inform the residents of all the so-called problems in the districts. All the waste and money that could be saved. You keep trying to find a reason not to write about the districts where you live but instead every reason you give not to writee about those districts is the perfect reason to craft an article to inform all your neighbors. But again it appears you only want to jump on the bandwagon after someone else has done all the hard work.
Felix Procacci December 14, 2012 at 08:13 PM
You need to realize your district just voted to keep taxes higher than they needed to be. There is a lot of apathy and suspicion. Educating people about how Special Districts work and their real costs is not an easy task. RESD and LIPC failed to do it in SD2 despite having private funding. When you have a Town Government bent on maintaing a special taxing district, in spite of the overwelming evidence that consolidation would reduce costs, is a difficult obstacle to overcome (I don't want to argue this FACT any further). The only way consolidation can be done effectively is if government does the analysis and presents the findings to the residents, and let them decide whether they want to go through with the plan the government developed in conjunction with residents. Residents will seldom rise up and take to the streets getting petions signed unless something really bad happens. Even a 200K supervisor didn't bring SD7 residents to the streets even though most of them were outraged. I forgot about this article I wrote. It shows the budget increases for the fire, water, and sanitation SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICTS (among other things). Newsday wouldn't print it. It was also printed in the Herald, South Shore Standard, and Antonnews. http://malverne-lynbrook.patch.com/articles/letter-to-the-editor-what-residents-should-know-about-hempstead-town-s-2012-budget
Tom Nathan December 14, 2012 at 08:36 PM
Felix Few points - you need to realize I live in that district and not you. The voters who live in that district make the decision and not you. What we have come to realize is that you still will not write about the districts you live in. Its ok for you to accept everything you are claiming. Its ok for your neighbors to accept it, but for some reason you think its not ok for anyone else to accept it. Again you have pointed out that you want someone else to do the work for you. The only apathy and suspicion is really why you feel so concerned to jump on the bandwagon in areas you dont live in but when you have the opportunity you wont take that opportnity and educate your own neighbeors about where they live and the taxes YOU continue to pay. I know you gave the excuse about a job and kids but we all have that - but yet you still find the time to write about areas you dont live in. Take that time and write about where yo live. You complain about an article that wasn't printed in Newsday - well too bad. Newsday is under no requirement to print everything or anything you send them, Why you wont address the special taxing districts wher you live is still the interesting question.
Felix Procacci December 14, 2012 at 08:53 PM
There was nothing going on in my districts to write about. What actions did SD7 residents take when they learned about their 200k supervisor? NOTHING!!! And that was a big story. No change is going to happen in special districts without a major PR campaign. RESD and LIPC did that and still lost. I don't know why it really matters to you. If I wrote an article about SD6's 46% increase in 8 years, what can residents do about it?. What would I tell them to do in this article you want me to write? All they are going to do is suck it up, They are not going to take to the streets and get petitions signed. When I write articles I write to give people an action they can take. ie Vote NO on the school budget, Vote Yes on consolidation, Don't Vote for Kate Murray. These are things people can do if they agree with my position. Again, what would people do in the case of SD6? Vote against the one person on the ballot. They have no simple option.
Tom Nathan December 14, 2012 at 09:27 PM
Felix - what is the wow is me act. The complaint there si nothing going on in your districts. What are your districts just sitting there not spending money, not raising taxes. The same thing is going on in your district that is going in in every single district, but you just dont want to write about it. People havent voted against Kate Murray - are you going to stop writing about her now based on your logic? You ask what article should you write - the same ones you hve been writing but instead of criticizing SD2 or TOH - criticize the park district you live in. I know its easier when someone else does all the work and you can pull out their audit report and just jump on the bandwagon.
Felix Procacci December 14, 2012 at 10:04 PM
SD2 WAS HAVING AN ELECTION KATE MURRAY WAS UP FOR RE-ELECTION SD6 IS ??? If it makes you happy (but I don't think it will) I criticized Kate (to her face) for approving the SD6 budgets with such large increases. I critisized Kate (to her face) for approving SD7'S BUDGET. But I don't think anything is going to make you happy. I am not going to get petitions signed (THE HEAVY WORK YOU REFER TO). This requires a large organization (which I am not). If an organization does it I will support them. I'm sorry, this is the best answer I have. Let's leave it there. SD2 residents want to pay more taxes than they have to and I will criticize wasteful government even if it is in a district I do not live in (let's learn to accept each other the way we are).
Tom Nathan December 16, 2012 at 03:07 AM
Flelix - yes SD2 was having an election you couldn't vote in. When your special tacxing districts had election did you write an article? I really could care less if you criticized KAte to her face or i an article that really has nothing to do with the matter. Again we see your true colors if someone else does the hard wotrk....you will support it. How hard is it to write an article about how bad the Frannklin Square fire and park districts. IT must be so har because we have never seen it from you and I doubt we ever will
dan November 04, 2013 at 07:08 PM
tom you are a bore. Let it go already. All the man did was tell people about wasteful spending in their district and offer a solution . Why aren't you shocked by a 200k garbage supervisor salary. You keep using the word heavy lifting. Are you a garbage man? The point is Kate is wasteful and padding friends pockets . Bottom line people will vote for her because no one is willing to do real heavy lifting attend budgets and ask for simple transparency. You would rather argue a minor point then see the real problem. Get your head out if the garbage Tom

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