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Nassau Police Precinct Merger, Part I: PBA vs. Mangano

An in-depth look at the county's plan and what both sides think.

The recent announcement from Nassau County to its eight police precincts into four has drawn much speculation and concern from residents, politicians and PBA officials.

The idea behind the plan is an elimination of more than 100 desk jobs and slashes "costly" built-in overtime benefits, County Executive Ed Mangano said.

The merger also corrects a workload imbalance that had been seen throughout the eight precincts, as three police precincts presently perform twice the workload of the remaining five precincts.

While Police Commissioner Thomas Dale has thrown his support behind this plan, the Nassau County Police Benevolent Association (PBA) has been adamantly against it.

PBA President Jim Carver cited a potential increase in police response time and a recent spike in crime as concerns surrounding this plan.

"They’re taking 10 pounds of crime and putting it in a 5-pound bag," Carver told Patch.

However, the county has stood by its plan and claims that the police services that Nassau residents are familiar with will not change.

"Residents should not be fooled by the PBA's scare tactics," Mangano said. "When you dial 911, the call goes to a 911 call center in New Cassel, then to the police car in your neighborhood — that will not change under this plan as all 177 patrol cars remain in their current neighborhoods."

The Eighth Precinct will be converted into a community policing center approximately 30 days after legislative approval, which will more than likely happen at the Feb. 27 legislative meeting. Every 60 days thereafter, a new precinct will be realigned in this order; the Sixth, Fifth and First.

The county added that the 60-day cycle is not written in stone and will be adjusted as deemed necessary by the police commissioner.

Carver said that the 60-day cycle is not enough time. The PBA president said that the county should close one precinct on a trial basis and then re-evaluate.

“We are rushing into something that I believe is going to change policing for the next 50 years and negatively impact the way we police out here," Carver said. "It’s not good for anyone.”

The PBA also contends that there will not be more police on patrol, but the county has said the plan will "increase the number cops available for enforcement."

Nassau legislators will vote on the precinct merger on Monday, Feb. 27.

This is the first part of our series on the plan to merge the precincts in Nassau County. Check back with Patch for more on this special report.

Lloyd February 27, 2012 at 01:09 PM
And some of you ask why the hell I post so much??? You convinced me that there are vicious roaming gangs of Salvadoreans who have taken over every community in Nassau Co. I'm afraid to leave my apartment.
Nassau Taxpayer February 27, 2012 at 01:16 PM
No kidding. Like cops at a trough.
Candygram for Mongo February 27, 2012 at 03:46 PM
why would you need to check if Brentwood was part of Long Island?
Lorraine DeVita February 27, 2012 at 08:04 PM
Why do i get the feeling that this is just one more play on both sides to get what they want? I am just waiting to see what comes down from Albany regarding all these union pensions within the next 30-60 days hopefully it will also pertain to Teachers, Cops across the state. Something has got to give otherwise the Carolinas & or Delaware are looking mighty fine!
Pequa Mom February 27, 2012 at 08:59 PM
Joe, thank you for offering us an invitation to this open meeting. Now that the vote has been postponed, it will afford us an opportunity to ask more questions...and hopefully get more answers....before the vote takes place.
Yankee Man February 27, 2012 at 09:15 PM
Paul......you're rught,,you know it all
QUESTION???? February 27, 2012 at 11:23 PM
Let's talk about local gov..................... TO DR. GORDON & THE REST OF OUR COMMUNITY: ??????????/HOW CAN YOU TAKE CHARGE OF OUR CHILDREN WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN?????????
QUESTION???? February 27, 2012 at 11:24 PM
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Lloyd February 28, 2012 at 06:37 PM
Still on the lookout for "roving Salvadorean gangs terrorizing EVERY neighborhood". I just had some business to do in Laurel Hollow, Oyster Bay Cove, and Cove Neck. So far NO signs of any gang activity, but I did spot some Latino looking guys exercising some horses in a private corral. Maybe they were actually trying to steal those thoroughbreds or dope them up for their next race. Drove past the Fish Hatchery. No gangbangers there either, trying to steal some guppies or shake down the Director. So maybe some of youse should reword your destructive accusations against our beloved neighborhoods.
Simba February 28, 2012 at 06:43 PM
Lloyd how about you go to the FBI office in Melville and ask to speak to one of the task force members about gangs on LI and let me know what they tell you.
James M. February 28, 2012 at 06:59 PM
THe last thing I read was in Hempstead I don't think there are Salvadoreans North of the LIE in Nassau
Lloyd February 28, 2012 at 09:29 PM
James. You sound like a reasonable man who would admit that there is a gang problem in SOME neighborhoods in the County, but NOT in the majority. And there are posters here acting like gangs are something new. Did these people see the show West Side Story, Boys in the Hood, or even The Gangs of New York? There have been serious gang problems in New York since the 1800's. And they were all violent and involved in illegal gambling, prostitution, bootlegging, hijackings, narcotics, kidnapping, and murder. Now, because its involving Latinos, instead of Irish, Italians, Jews, Russians, or Blacks, some here have to spread hysteria just to save a few police jobs? And now parents here are afraid they wont be able to keep their kids awsy from the drug dealers on their corner. How about trying another excuse to bankrupt the County and scare the public?
Jon L. February 29, 2012 at 02:19 AM
Lloyd the broken record..... same thing I said five posts ago on Saturday, no one claims that Gangs are running you hood. "Gangs bring the drugs in from places like El Salvador, Columbia and other impoverished places (poor countries). Street level dealers who do business with the gangs (reads not gang member, just a drug dealer) sell the drugs in the neighborhood, Did you understand that?" Now let's talk about something constructive, freeing up SIS Squad detectives to address Gang problems. Instead of escorting elected officials around. Did you know that there is an SIS detail assigned to a Federal Elected Official from the South Shore? The US Capitol Police did a threat assessment and determined that he did not need extra security but he has a PDCN detail from the minute he steps off the plane in Queens until the minute he gets on the plane back toe DC. Best part is that he drives himself around in DC! How about the 4 SIS Detectives that the CE uses? Is there a credible threat on the CE's life that he needs a detail? A driver probably would suffice for the CE but let's make ourselves look important. The 8-10 bodies on rotation handling these two details are costing the Nassau County Taxpayer about 2 million a year give or take.
Rob S February 29, 2012 at 03:01 AM
I hate to get off on a tangent, but there's a lot of talk about drug abuse that I think unfairly puts the cops on the spot. It's not about sleazy characters on dark street corners. The big epidemic now is prescription drugs. There's more abuse of them that cocaine or heroin. The roots of this real problem is with the Federal regulators, and Drs who have incentives for 'pushing' pills. It's much more cost-efficient to give drugs than spend a half-hour with a patient. The big drug companies mainly police themselves. From the flood of these drugs in our country, they're obviously not effective. There are very few checks or inventories along the supply chain. This is not your swarthy gangs, it's a sophisticated distribution system less regulated than liquor distribution. We can't blame our local cops for people high on these drugs when the Federal government is ignoring the problem for the sake of saving money.
Lloyd February 29, 2012 at 06:08 AM
Dont blame the go erbment. Dont blame tbe doctors or drug companies. And surely dont blame tbe police. It falls squarely on the heads of adults who use pain killers as a legal and cheap way of getting high.
Tina February 29, 2012 at 01:45 PM
Maybe instead of targeting the police start with taking away all the cars that employees get to use. How many do you see sitting in the driveway of a home. Let them drive their own car to work (I do!). With the high cost of gas why should my tax payer dollars go to gas so they can run errands and drive to and from work?
Strug Lynn February 29, 2012 at 02:29 PM
A civil service test was offered, paid for, taken and a list was created a few years ago now for Police Aide trainees whose job would be to do the clerical work that police officers are currently doing at a much lower rate of pay. To date no one has been hired from that list. County agencies seem to think it is a good idea to charge people $30 (now $40) to take tests that they do not hire from. I think that constitutes FRAUD. What do you think? Nice way to bring in a few bucks for the County though. I can't imagine there is not profit when a thousand or so people show up for a test at $30-$40 a pop. In this day and age when people are desperate for jobs, civil service tests should not be given (and charged for) if there is no plan to actually hire the person(s) who gets the top score. The false sense of hope a jobless person has when sitting down to take that test is just another cruelty perpetrated by Nassau County upon their residents IMO. And if Civil Service is outdated, and the agencies that hire through it are just circumventing it at every opportunity by hiring through agencies, giving tests only after the positions are already filled and such, then it need to go the way of the dinosaur it has become. Otherwise, clean it up and enforce the rules!!!! This is an area that needs a serious investigation.
Nassau Taxpayer February 29, 2012 at 02:55 PM
The irony is they probably pay over $100 per app to give and score them. ANOTHER MANGANO LOSER!
Candygram for Mongo February 29, 2012 at 07:19 PM
Watch you
RoBuSt! March 01, 2012 at 04:17 AM
Looks some top officials will be turning themselves in tomorrow morning! There's a start to saving over paid salaries
Jon L. March 01, 2012 at 02:23 PM
Watch you what, MeAgain? You rounding up your West Side Posse, better load up!
Candygram for Mongo March 01, 2012 at 03:14 PM
well there you go again - i thought we had already discussed this?
Frank March 01, 2012 at 04:39 PM
@ Robust. Not really as they already filed for pensions and benefits prior to trial. We're going to pay whether we like it or not.
Jon L. March 01, 2012 at 04:42 PM
Easy there typewriter tough guy. I would love an answer to my question, Watch you what? Watch you say truthful things about the way the politicos pad their image. Watch the police department brass acquiesce to the demands of the bully bigoted Chair of the Homeland Security Committee in the House? "Watch you" what Mr. Tough Guy?
Jon L. March 01, 2012 at 04:46 PM
I was 35 second too late posting, yes there is a law in NY that they will be able to keep their pensions as they retired prior to the inditement. Granted they are entitled to due process but even of they get convited they will still get the pensions.
Escape LI March 01, 2012 at 04:52 PM
In NYC they have to give 30 days’ notice for retirement so that any pending charges can be considered. Then they can be fired without a pension during that 30 day waiting period. Is this not the case in Nassau County?
Nassau Taxpayer March 01, 2012 at 04:53 PM
Legalized fraud on the taxpayer. Where is Cuomo?
RoBuSt! March 01, 2012 at 09:04 PM
NYS you keep your pension if you are convicted on a misdemeanor but any felony conviction they lose there pension. The whole thing will most likely drag out & chances are they will skate free. Corruption is not really followed in long island the way NYC is.
RoBuSt! March 01, 2012 at 09:10 PM
It took my friend 5yrs to get into sanitation! In those 5yrs he had to attend republican club meetings, hand out flyers for republican parties, & do anything that was needed. He actually finally got in because he knew a friend who knew a friend who knew another friend & did a favor on top of it. Sanitation is far from equal opp employment
l hilden August 18, 2012 at 01:38 PM
pierre.....your crass and demeaning comment regarding Volunteer Firemen is highly offensive to anyone with intelligence...What's your beef with guys who VOLUNTARILY answer thousands of calls relating to fire, rescue etc and do it out of the goodness of their hearts and devotion to community service...I suggest you buy a scanner and leave it near your bed for just a week......maybe just maybe you will have an attitude change and realize these guys put their life on the line each day and do it with class,,,it's people like you who stay nice and cozy and Do Nothing but complain and whine that make Long Island an even worse place to live...let's hope you never need a fireman or emt or then again let's hope you do...hang your silly head in shame !

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