Are Turf Fields Necessary in Lynbrook? [POLL]

This week's board of education meeting left residents with the possibility of three turf fields in Lynbrook.

The Lynbrook Board of Education announced two potential capital project plans at Wednesday's meeting – the final result of which would be in Lynbrook.

The original capital project plan, revealed at the Feb. 29 , called for a turf field at North Middle School, as well as a track replacement and turf field at South Middle School, along with several other additions to North.

These projects would remove $6,125,000 from the capital reserve fund. That fund currently contains $6.9 million, according to Assistant Superintendent of Business Dr. Melissa Burak. 

A third turf field at Marion Street Elementary – which would be a separate second project to the one at both middle schools – was also considered at one point to follow the completion of the two middle school improvements.

Residents have already begun sounding off as to whether to the fields would be a good use of the capital reserve fund, but what do you think?

joe March 19, 2012 at 07:41 PM
i do have a question when was the last time we did replace the grass fields? does anyone know?
the big kahuna March 19, 2012 at 07:45 PM
i go and I have seen first hand the lies that we told. Bill Kayen stood on the grass field and campaigned on the platform of turf and then changed his mind when it got hot. Thats just one of many. I go to these meetings and they are a joke. there is no leadership in the schooll so the board tries to run things. If Dr B stood up and demanded it these things would get done. Silence is not always golden!
noogie nitemare March 19, 2012 at 07:46 PM
Joe, Please come to the next BOE Budget Session this week. Please ask these questions so that YOU have the answers . PLEASE....then and only then....make an intelligent decision instead of an uniformed response based on suposition. A synthetic field requires far less maintainence, saves water, does not need to be fertilized or re-seeded. Much like any facility improvement, a turf field has a finite life....as does a roof, a central A/C system or a boiler. I don't know if a turf field needs to be swept but I do know that grass fields need to cut at least 1x per week, sometimes more if the weather conditions dictate. Our grounds and maintainence staff, as pointed out by Mr Toy, do an amzing job with the limited resources they have and should be commended. Find out for yourself what kind of condition the buildings are in before assuming new windows are needed. BTW, where can I find Section 8 housing listed in our school budget.
noogie nitemare March 19, 2012 at 07:47 PM
Dan - Thanks for breathing common sense into this.
Arthur Katz March 19, 2012 at 09:07 PM
We are all being lied to by the board. We go from the giant football stadium last year to theree turf fields plus band rooms and all these other bribes people on the North side wantes to support the project. Othere than maybe an elevator none of this is needed.
Tom Garrett March 20, 2012 at 11:56 AM
All good points for or against and for me it’s hard to objectively argue with either side (other than Geese like real grass and don’t clean up after themselves). The real issue for me is why the sense of urgency? Why does this all need to be done at once and essentially empty the Capital Reserve? Is there a time table for the usage of the Cap Reserve that’s not being mentioned or a fear that Albany will change the rules and force Districts to use these funds for other purposes? Once I understand this part of the puzzle, I think I will be able to come to a decision on how to vote, currently I can’t support a “all or nothing” proposal.
Arthur Katz March 20, 2012 at 12:04 PM
mike james I went to the meetings last year and saw how the north side people whined about some sort of unfair treatment as the field proposed was for the south side. The North people clamored about wanting this so-called music room. I will agree an elevator might be useful but the musinc room is an out and out bribe to those on the north side leading the charge against turf.
Arthur Katz March 20, 2012 at 12:07 PM
Tom G It really does not matter if the school wants to use the money in one shot or over two years. That is a smokescreen. The school will never be able to replenish this and the numerous other funds because they cannot overbudget like they have done for so long. It is time for the board to either do this project or stop trying
Tom Garrett March 20, 2012 at 12:41 PM
Mr. Katz, Why the rush...... We don’t know what’s on the horizon and while we enjoy some nice reserves now I believe you are correct in your statement. In the future, if things don’t improve economically speaking, we may be faced with the prospect dropping certain sports to keep class rooms operating as other Districts are doing so now……. We will have nice fields with no sports because we can’t fund them, right now there is a proposal to drop the Rifle Team to save very little so what will happen if we can replenish the reserves? This is certainly a reality that we could face, so again, I would like to know why the rush.
Katz2 March 20, 2012 at 06:21 PM
mike james I have been to plenty of board meetings, that is in fact how I know the music rooms are a bribe. That is all the North parents whined about, along with the elevator last year, when they were complaining about the stadium complex. Now lets see the Capital reserve, I do know how it works and how its funded. Lets see 1. State law requires school surpluses to be refunded to the taxpayers unless such a reserve is created. 2.. The school board has created this reserve and a few others to capture surpluses from the millions we have been overtaxed over the years. 3. The school board violated the law a few years ago when the overfunded the capitol reserve. 4. With the tax cap and reduced spending the board will no longer be able to over tax to create these reserve/slush funds. The will now have to budget closer to expenses instead of just increasing taxes 5% each year. 5. In addition with having to pay back tax payments the county is pushing on the schools, the school will be hit with a large expense they should have paid for years.
Katz2 March 20, 2012 at 06:46 PM
mike james Yes the musinc room is a complete bribe to the north parents because they want their support. If you went to the meetings llast year you would have seen that. Is the music room needed - no, but to get the vote support it wil be added and the North parents will support the field. During the meetings last year it was all about what the North parents could get for themselves rather than what was best for the kids. The elevator is another topic. I have no problem with adding the elevator, though I think the argument about handicapped kids is way overblown.
Katzz2 March 20, 2012 at 07:40 PM
mikejames I believe the building is 50years old and has delat with the issue of handicapped/injured children for th past 50 years.
Mrs. WE March 20, 2012 at 07:57 PM
So let me ask a question Katz2, do you think South Middle School should have gotten a music room and an elevator? If your answer to either is YES than why should parents of North Middle School students not have the same facilities??? I don't consider North Middle School parents stating that a music room at North Middle School would have greater academic bang for the buck than say new offices for the coaches, press boxes, or a $100K concession stand at South Middle whining, I'd call it common sense. Fairly distributing funds for capital projects isn't a bribe, it's good business. Last year it was everything at South Middle and little to nothing anywhere else. Voters at all three Lynbrook polling places rejected that strategy. Katz2 I AM THAT CRAZY ELEVATOR LADY....and damn proud of it. I won't go into details on why I am as passionate about it as I am, but let's put it this way, I wouldn't wish my families circumstances on you. That aside my understanding of ADA law is that at this point just about any significant capital improvement at North would have to include an elevator.
Mrs. WE March 20, 2012 at 08:03 PM
North Middle School DEALS with the ISSUE of handicapped children and adults by denying them access to the 2nd floor or forcing them to be homeschooled. GREAT PLAN!!!
Katzz2 March 20, 2012 at 08:38 PM
Maybe you need to understand the ADA - based on the construction planned it would not require an elevator to be installed.
Katzz2 March 20, 2012 at 08:50 PM
MRS WE I dont think either South or North need a music room. Its all about bribes and an inferiority complex the North parents have versus the South.
Mrs. WE March 20, 2012 at 09:08 PM
WRONG. Equality is not a complex. There are many things South/Waverly/Marion Street have that West End/North Middle do not and I don't hear parents screaming about many of them. If neither school has a music room, where do you suggest they practice? A regular classroom does not have the size or accoustics to handle the large ensembles. The music rooms truly benefit all who participate in the ensemble groups, THAT is why parents are for it.
Mrs. WE March 20, 2012 at 09:38 PM
I do not think your interpretation of ADA is correct....and neither does the board of ed. The district has a moral and legal obligation to educate students with disabilities...the district has gotten away with a spit and glue solution for way too long at North Middle School. The building is not ADA compliant...what else is there to understand? It just sounds to me like you just don't want to see any money spent on education and if that leaves North Middle School lagging FAR behind South Middle School in terms of a facility...so be it.
noogie nitemare March 21, 2012 at 12:05 AM
Katzz2 While I admire your passion and respect your opinion, you are terribly uninformed, selfish and narrowminded. Perhaps it is because your children have graduated and you object, as we all do, to the outrageous taxes we pay. Perhaps your children are/were not athletes or musicians. Perhaps you are lucky because your children are healthy and can ambulate in any building. If so, consider yourself fortunate.....VERY FORTUNATE. Should I object to my taxes being spent on an elevator in the NYC Subway because I won't need or use it? Of course not. Legislation passed within the past 50 years has changed the way we, as a society, vote, travel on public transportation and have access to jobs and housing. It is called equal rights. Shame on you for wanting to deny an elevator to those North Middle School children who may be injured or, worse yet, physically challeneged. Furthermore, is it your intent to deny access to a music room for those students with musical ability? That being said, you need to drag yourself to a Middle School concert or High School play so you can see and hear for yourself. Change, while frightening to some, is inevitable. Try taking a Xanax and rethinking your position please. Remember that these projects are already funded and will not increase your taxes.
noogie nitemare March 21, 2012 at 12:07 AM
sorry for the typos above.....rethinking s/b rethink
Tom Garrett March 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM
Pt 1 Mr. Nitemare, How can you respect someone’s opinion than insult them? While I don’t agree with Mr. Katz on some of his conclusions he does have merit on others. First let me point out to you whatever the final proposal comes to that in fact it has cost us in Taxes, they were pre-collected. Using the argument that it won’t raise your Taxes is false as well because this fund will need to be replenished thru bonding or diverting surpluses, which are going to be far harder to come by. Now as for the elevator my question to you is “Where were you for the past twenty years” advocating for the physically challenged? The ADA was passed in 1990 why is it only now over the past two or three years we collectively have come to see the light? Why are we spending so much on turf and not spending these funds to bring all our buildings to proper ADA compliance? Do you truly understand like the Elevator Mom does, I do, do you or are you using this to shame others in an effort to change their opinion?
Tom Garrett March 21, 2012 at 11:44 AM
Pt 2 Mr. Nitemare, You mentioned earlier that Turf fields will bring additional value to ones home, now really, who’s playing with the Xanax? Teachers make the difference not the quality of the Districts physical plants!!! Look, you have your opinion as does Mr. Katz but if we going to come to intelligent decisions we need to learn to listen to each other as no one human has all the answers!! Lastly, I am wondering while all this debate on how to spend 6 million dollars is going on why is no one speaking up for the Twelve kids who will not be able to partake in their chosen sport of target shooting since we are dropping the Rifle Team for a mere ten thousand dollars in savings? What was the cost of the environmental impact study going to be? Is this the first sport to get chopped? Will it be the last and in my opinion it shouldn’t be at all at this point or is it a harbinger of things to come……..
Tom Garrett March 21, 2012 at 02:19 PM
M r. James, I appreciate where you’re coming from and while I do agree with the need to do certain improvements at least let’s be honest as to the whys. Home values will not budge a cent if turf fields are here or not, purchasing a home is purely subjective once you get past affordability equation. Our School District is an attractive incentive to purchase a home in Lynbrook and has been for a long time with all our antiquated physical plants and fields because of the “People” that work in it!! This is a simple matter of, this is what we propose, and do you folks want it or not….. I believe fiscal prudence should be what shapes this matter but that is only my opinion! This whole Cap Project issue has turned into an exercise as futile as herding Cats!! Now for the Rifle team, let me ask you this, is it fair to those kids to be dropped from their sport when their families have been paying taxes all along and their surpluses were diverted to the Cap Fund?? We are willing to spend how much to improve the "Competitive Sporting Experience” for others, yet we are all too eager to leave out these kids for ten grand, please!!!!! I’m well aware of what budget category goes where and how $$$$ flows, so again tell me I’m wrong…. As for ADA compliance we are behind, inspections or not, PERIOD!
Anne March 22, 2012 at 12:23 PM
I was wondering the same thing about the RIfle team - seems like a small amount of money to cut from the budget - are the parents of these twelve voicing their concerns.
LynSanity March 22, 2012 at 03:56 PM
anne and tom, with all due respect the administration and board of ed don't respond much to rants from the patch loonies. (not saying you’re a patch loonie but hey…) they do respond to issues voiced at official board meetings though. despite a connect-ed message that went to the whole district about last night's meeting and its agenda, it was like another ‘cheers’ episode. only the regulars showed up. can I get a "norm!" when this cut was brought up weeks ago mrs. bresnihan supported the rifle team. no parents or community member did. not then, or since. get out from behind your computer and get some fresh air. it's really nice out. later dudes...
Mrs. WE March 22, 2012 at 04:15 PM
Great comment. At last nights mtg. there wasn't a single new voice at the mike. If members of the Rifle team and/or their parents had come out to meeting and spoken up in protest of the cut there may have been a very different outcome. Sadly they sealed their fate with their silence.
Mrs. WE March 22, 2012 at 04:16 PM
noogie nitemare March 22, 2012 at 04:22 PM
Who really cares anymore? This district has bwen in the dark ages for years and so has the BOE ! Nothing progressive will ever get done. See ya.
Tom Garrett March 22, 2012 at 05:39 PM
Lyn, Mrs WE I was in fact at the meeting when this topic came up, Mrs B made a number of salient points, was it worth addressing the board, for me not at the time and I assumed Mrs B put the matter to rest. Is it disappointing from the stand point of the kids, yes, will it be the last casualty, probably not. As for standing up at the Mic. depends on what you say, you just might not make it out of there in one piece, I forgot how passionate these meeting can become!! The only way I was going to speak is if they were going to chop up the W/E project and since there was only a little tweak with the grass, I was fine with that. Personally I think Dr. Burak and the Board did an excellent job overall and I'm pleased at the final outcome of the Capital Proposal, both of which I will support. btw: LS.....Look who's calling the kettle black with a handle like that! hehehe
SouthSideJohnny March 27, 2012 at 04:08 PM
It is alot of fun reading the Patch posts and trying to figure out who is under those pseudonyms... the meetings do sometimes feel like an episode of cheers, only the regulars attending... maybe more might be accomplished and agreed upon if the meeting spot were at a bar! Regarding Rifle Team, it is highly likely that the team may be unaware that it's being cut... unless they attended the Board of Ed meeting at which it was discussed. 12 athletes who will have to look for another sport... How many players on a football team? (Is it true that only 11 players are on the field at a time? Does Lynbrook have almost 100 kids on the team? If so is that a little excessive? Do the other 89 get a workout at least?) Is there room for the Rifle team to join football?


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